So - who do you believe then?
We are just SOOOOO flattered that Terry Dinham needs a four page spread to deal with us! But is anyone else as cross as me about this? Honestly, you’d think that Liatris had ridden in on white chargers to save the town. Is this really what people think? Why do you think Liatris is developing this land – do you think they’ve fallen in love with this little place and want to help us? That would be so nice - like a fairy story come true!
Straight down to brass tacks:
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386 HOMES:
What’s proposed: 386 homes. No, No, No – for the WHOLE site the proposal is:
Liatris – 386 now plus the 64 later they had to leave out because they are on Riverside Workshops land = 450
Dwellings above shops on the East Devon District Council part of the site: 30
Dwellings on the Axe Riverside site (old Racal site): the planning application isn’t in yet but expect about 150. Total number of dwellings on the site: at least 630.
Who will buy these homes? What jobs will the 1,000 or so people get? How will they commute? Where will they commute to?
NEW AND REPLACED COMMUNITY FACILITIES: apparently according to page 2 the Tourist Information Centre is a “community facility”. Hope you can play your short mat bowls there, friends. And the Youth Club will be replaced: point it out on the plan, Terry – I can’t see it. We are losing: a swimming pool, a gym, meeting and conference facilities, short mat bowls club, ballroom dancing club, table tennis club, craft and other sales space, Grizzly Race headquarters, day nursery and 90% of Seaton’s overnight tourist accommodation. We gain: er – a youth centre we can’t find on the plan and “possibly” a “community room” which could be a gym OR a nursery which we have to share with a SUSTRANS cycle route terminus in an annex to the Jurassic Coast Visitor Centre approximately 30 ft x 30 ft. Thanks, Terry.
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TERMINUS FACILITIES FOR THE WESSEX CYCLE WAY CYCLE ROUTE: If I was SUSTRANS I would be seriously cross about this one. The Wessex Cycle Way Terminus was planned LONG before you got involved with this area, Terry and it was ALWAYS going to need a terminus. Except now, instead of being a dedicated building, it may have to share its facilities with a gym or a nursery!
FOOTPATHS AND CYCLEWAYS: You can’t build a development without these nowadays – you are forced to put them in. Surely you don’t expect credit for this!
OVER 300 NEW JOBS: Watch the small print here, ladies and gents – we have no idea exactly where these jobs are coming from and the developers say in the planning application that many of them will be “part time” – you bet – how many of them will be minimum wage and can you give us a list of EXACTLY where you expect the jobs to be? How many people will lose jobs when businesses in the town close and when the nursery closes. Some mothers with children at the nursery will be forced to give up their jobs if they cannot find child care – have you factored those in? When the holiday camp goes 174 people lose their jobs and 60 people who live in become homeless – have you taken those into account?
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FLOODING: Guys, you’re the ones who said that the site will become a “self-contained island” in extreme weather and suggest two “refuges” with medical facilities on the site AND two shallow draft boats OR high wheeled tractors to get people off the island, not me.
And this is the first time I’ve heard a monsoon drain called a “cycle route”! – it’s a MONSOON DRAIN people which goes from the front of the site (opposite Burrow Road) to the marshes, to take the water down there when just before the “extreme” weather that gives us the island (see paragraph above) . It’s 49 feet wide and 10 feet deep but apparently if you put grass on the bottom (presumably always wet grass, or damp grass or dry grass) you can call it “public open space” or a “cycle route”. I LOVE IT!!!
WHY REGENERATE SEATON. Sorry – this should read: Why develop the site. This is NOT regeneration, it is pure and simple development – you could plonk this down in any town in the country. And that zoning plan – you know what they left out – the height of the buildings, some of them 5 storeys high. Where is the “mix” of development – it’s day trippers, shops and houses – is that a regenerative mix? Where are the leisure activities for Seaton residents – whoops, sorry, we are supposed to be shopping! And do any of us think that this development does justice to the
I just LOVE the benefits box:
We will have right of way through the site on footpaths and cycle ways – WOW!
We will have a public square which the supermarket, visitor centre and tramway has to have to get their punters through the front door – WOW!
We have a Jurassic Coast Visitors Centre with a “community room” that MIGHT have a small gym or nursery – MORE WOW
A quality restaurant – WOW – we will be able to visit that EVERY day now we have our part-time jobs!
A range of new shops and a supermarket – DOUBLE WOW!
Improved public transport – sorry, I missed that – which bus company has agreed to run extra services then, I can’t find any mention of one in the planning application.
New homes – WOW – 630 of them – 20% more people in Seaton in the next five years and no new infrastructure.
Use of the SUSTRANS terminus – well, I guess if my shower stops working I could go there and have a shower!
Improved access to the wetlands area – I can walk there on the level now, Terry – what will improve?
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BOOSTING SEATON’S ECONOMY: Er – we go to the supermarket and spend a lot of money. Exactly how much of this money stays in Seaton, Terry?. Well, of course there will be the part time jobs. But we just lost the jobs at the holiday village and in the “old town” – and we have around 1,000 people to find jobs for – unless they are all retired or second homes, of course.
And do you really think a pelican crossing from the Underfleet to the supermarket will be “improved access to the
TOURISTS: Now there we REALLY have a problem. Where exactly are they going to be spending money if they can park for only 3 hours and have nowhere to stay in Seaton. Just which towns in
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And - finally - did you know people that you are entitled to be consulted on how the money that EDDC gets from the developer is spent? Has anyone asked you? Or you? Or you? Or me!
7 Comments:
Well said Sandra!
At least this "wrap around" can be recycled to recover some of the precious wood that has been wasted...though I think my grandad would have taken it out to the privy and recycled the content in a much more appropriate fashion!!
Terry tells us how his cycleway will protect Harbour Road from flooding. No, it won't.
At the moment, any flood water in Harbour Road can flow away to the marshes through dozens of outlets. In his scheme, there is only one outlet: and the water has to flow all the way along Harbour Road to reach it. So he is using Harbour Road as just another Monsoon Ditch. Are the residents happy with that ?
Liartis by name and Liartous by nature. Which ever way you view them the plans for Seatons Regeneration do not give any real benefits back to Seaton. In the worst case they will leave a costly and demanding legacy for the people of the town and surrounding area who will be called upon through indcreased Community Charges and bigger Utiliy bills to pay for the disruption likely to be caused through flooding, pollution and other as yet hidden pitfalls.
Sandra,
all this talk of cycle route terminus. The local authorities (yes plural) have not even with expert help from Sustrans managed to complete the cycle path linking Seaton to Colyford so what use is a cycle terminus?
Not read Terry's proposals but somewhere along the line I've seen some reference to Liatris helping to purchase 200 acres of marsh land. A generous offer! Hang on, if the development is to be flood neutral(View From Seaton, 12th December 2006) and the plan is to import 250,000 Cubic Mtres of infill then there needs to be a hole for the displaced water. Hope my Community Charges will not increase due to the generousity.
It's something I can't get my head around either. I gather it is all supposed to go down Harbour Road to the monsoon drain opposite Burrow Road. EXCEPT that they are planning to pave and grass the bottom of this drain (10 ft high, 50 ft wide) and call it a cycle route AND a public amenity space. Except, of course, when the flood water knocks you off your feet and takes you out to the marshes or the river!
And what of the homes and businesses on Harbour Road which will have a 2-3 metre high plateau behind them? Even the engineers admit it could be a "self contained island" in extreme weather, so what happens to the properties surrounding this island, which is itself surrounded by water. I'd be checking with my insurers about whether they will cover me for flood risk when this development takes place.
Look at South West Tourism reports for 2005 (latest available report) and there has been an increase in bookings from the people who would use Lyme Bay. So not much sign of a decline in bookings in the South West, Mr Harrison. But of course that's why your chain of holiday properties is aimed at that market.
Sandra,
Stand Up For Seaton should respond in kind. Having spoken to my son who is in the media business, he asked why can't our group produce a similar wrap around 4 page cover for a future edition of View From Seaton? Is their enough support from within the business community to subsidise the cost of such a venture?
Just think about how much celebrities pay a PR guru like Max Clifford to 'manage the media' to be able to tell their side of the story. The developers have turned this into a PR battle to win the hearts and minds of local people with their wrap around publication. My son's advice is that Stand Up For Seaton has to hit back in similar fashion.
If the developer has thought it's such a great idea to use the local free paper to 'advertise' its intentions then our group should seriously think about doing the same before it's too late. Not everyone has access to a computer but everybody has the opportunity to pick up a copy of the free paper.
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